June 23, 2009

  • Reagan Vr Obama

    Contrast between 1982 and 2009

    1982 – President established a doctrine to support those fighting for freedom.
    2009 – President establishes no doctrine, not supporting those fighting for freedom.

    1982 – President spoke to the world lifting up democracy
    2009 – President apologized to the world for democracy

    1982 – President acknowledged crisis and exposed the evils of denying human freedom
    2009 – President acknowledged a great revolutionary crisis, but was careful not to offend the government.

    1982 - President believed in truth for freedom
    2009 – President believes in pacifism for good will.

    1982 – President gave a light to awaken darkness
    2009 – President gives a night light in hopes we don’t offend darkness

    The US and the world needs another President that is not afraid to speak the truth, even if it offended.
    Let’s not forget that America was born out of religious oppressive regime.  We are not a nation that is seeking to take over the world.  If we were we could have at the end of WWII.  But what did we do?  We rebuilt those nations we defeated.

     

Comments (18)

  • And the winner by knockout 32 seconds into the first round Ronald “Wolverine” Reagan! LOL

  • Not a fair contest here, you are pitting one of the best presidents against……..

  • Have   you seen the book Dutch yet? I know you will really like it when you do get it.

  • None of what you’re saying obama actually did. It’s just a dishonest slant.

    Obama hasn’t established a “doctrine” defining his entire presidency in the first 100 days of his first term because if he did that would be insane, and he has not said anything about not supporting freedom, and on the contrary is not endorsing the rebellion in iran because it would harm them in a country that shouts “death to america” the same way that if bin laden “supported” an american presidential candidate it would greatly harm their support.

    He’s not getting involved aside from subtly threatening the iranian government if they use violence because if he got involved it would pretty much sabotage the work they’re doing because they’re already claiming the revolt is just american influence and it’s already hurting their efforts.

    He didn’t apologize to anyone for democracy, he didn’t even apologize to the world for anything, he aknowledged america has made mistakes which does not constitute an apology, conservative pundits just like to invent controversy out of thin air.

    He wasn’t “careful not to offend the government”, he was careful not to sabotage the people struggling for their freedom.

    Do you understand the difference between a bad thing and a negative characterization?

  • @agnophilo -  President Reagan defined his entire 8 years of President within his first 100 days.  What I’m saying is that Reagan spoke the truth and freed people.  Obama is not doing this, he is afraid to offend an evil goverment.  He feels if he doesn’t offend them he may be able to sit down and communicate with them.  Come on let’s be real here.  Hitler couldn’t be talked to, yet Chamberland didn’t want to offend him. Thank God Chamberland left and Churchhill came in.   Obama is no different than Carter in his dealing with the Iranians.  Let’s just not upset them so we’re not characterised as negative.  I’m proud to be an American. I’m proud of my history of freeing people that are oppressed. I’m proud of past leaders speaking against evil empires and setting people free.  We’re the only country in history that has ever defeated an enemy and then built them up. I’m proud of that.  It was by speaking the truth against darkness.He did apologize for America.  We are a great Christian nation. 
    You said he was careful not to sabotage the people struggling for freedom. -I say he sabotaged them by not speaking up for them.  Reagan spoke up for the Russian people and inspired them to seek freedom.  

  • @Mighty_Men_of_Valor - I make myself feel better when I go back into the 80′s – when truth was spoken without fear.

  • @xThexGodfatherx - LOL -  Hopefully Reagan’s word come through loud and clear.

  • @Jillycarmel - I haven’t read “Dutch” yet but I’ve read several other books about Reagan. 

  • @Randy7777 - 

    You know russia is still a brutal dictatorship, right? Their prime minister assassinates his critics.

    And you are not listening. The iranian government is trying to crush the rebellion by claiming it’s just interference from america, which is villified in iran. If we started openly supporting them we’d be playing into their propaganda and discredit the people who are trying to get a fair election.

    Sorry, but sentiment is not enough. You can’t just run over to iran and sprinkle “freedom dust” on everyone and magically make it a free country. You have to actually do what will help, and not harm, the movement. Support from america would be to them in their country like support from osama bin laden would be to an american politician. It would do more harm than good.

    In this case giving lip-service to their cause will only harm it.

  • @Randy7777 - I highly recommend Dutch by Edmond Morris

  • @agnophilo - we need to get rid of the supreme leader of iran whose name i can not pronounce. unless that happens all this protest is in vein. there will be no change in policies of iran. i do have to say that obama has shown his weak scrawny knee to china, iran, n. korea, russia and any other axis of evil. you may disagree but you can not calm a raging pitbull by being nice to it. you have to be stronger than him. you have to show him who the boss is. you need to get the respect of the pitbull.

    this internal protest in iran is the problem that iran needs to solve. better to stay out of it than meddle in it.

  • @supsoo - 

    So obama’s a pussy unless he shows people like the leader of iran who’s boss, but he shouldn’t meddle?

  • @agnophilo - Just because the Iranian regime is trying to blame America, doesn’t mean we should shut our mouths.  Truth must be spoken, no matter who is offended.  Truth will set the people free.  Iran will blame America no matter what, we shouldn’t allow a bully to dictate the truth.  Reagan’s slogan was, “Peace through Strength”.  Obama is showing himself and America very weak.  History shows what happens when a country shows themself weak.  Is the definition of listening agreeing with your point? -Then no I’m not listening.  I don’t believe the Obama backed media.  It’s a spin on the truth.  What I’m concerned about is the example it gives to young America.  That example is this, “Pacify and don’t speak out the truth in fear you’ll offend someone.”  Iran is shutting the mouth of America.   Our mission has changed.  We now don’t stand up for freedom.  We become silent and say a little bit in hopes that magic dust in communication will bring peace.  See, I can spin your words also – like the Obama backed media. 

  • Wow, your taking on some tough stuff Randy. Nice to see that a brave pastor still exists. Thanks.

  • @Randy7777 - 

    “Just because the Iranian regime is trying to blame America, doesn’t mean we should shut our mouths.”

    No, even a lot of the people who are trying to get reform shout “death to america”.

    “Truth must be spoken, no matter who is offended.”

    This isn’t about not speaking any “truth”. What “truth” should obama speak? Supporting their movement would KILL their movement. How can we be “right” when we’re knowingly sabotaging attempts for freedom and democracy in iran?

    “Truth will set the people free.”

    Yeah, that’s a great bumper sticker. Let me know when you want to get real and talk about this actual specific situation.

    “Iran will blame America no matter what, we shouldn’t allow a bully to dictate the truth.”

    We’re not. Just what would you have obama do?

    “Reagan’s slogan was, “Peace through Strength”.”

    And his legacy was making america a funnel to take cash from the poor and give it to the rich.

    “Obama is showing himself and America very weak.”

    I guess he should go bomb something, or thump his chest and shout like tarzan, right? What fucking good would that do?

    “History shows what happens when a country shows themself weak.”

    They avoid gigantic wars and prosper for centuries?

    “Is the definition of listening agreeing with your point? -Then no I’m not listening.”

    No, the definition of listening is acknowledging and responding to anything I say, rather than just mindlessly repeating yourself.

    “I don’t believe the Obama backed media. It’s a spin on the truth.”

    Actually most of the media networks have left and right leaning shows, you accept the fox news version of reality without question, even though it is the definition of biased.

    “What I’m concerned about is the example it gives to young America.”

    And what is that? If there’s a problem don’t go insane and start hitting it with a stick, and instead have a measured response?

    “That example is this, “Pacify and don’t speak out the truth in fear you’ll offend someone.”"

    Nothing obama is doing has anything to do with not offending anyone. That is the fox news characterization of it, and it’s completely false. Besides, you know that like 3/4 of obama’s job is foreign policy and diplomacy, right? He can’t go and say “hey iran you suck!” He has to act like an adult, unlike our previous president.

    “Iran is shutting the mouth of America.”

    In no imaginable way.

    “Our mission has changed. We now don’t stand up for freedom.”

    You fucking moron how can you not understand that us giving our rhetorical support to a movement in a country that hates us would only help to villify the reformers? Are you that dense that you can’t grasp a simple concept? Shutting the hell up is the best thing we can do right now to support freedom in iran. Not to mention that it’s none of our damn business, and we’d be offended if canada came down here to make sure we have fair elections. It’s their revolution, not ours.

    “We become silent and say a little bit in hopes that magic dust in communication will bring peace. See, I can spin your words also – like the Obama backed media.”

    How is the media backed by obama? How does that work exactly? And you are not spinning my words, you are putting words in my mouth that I never said.

  • @Only_God_is_Awesome - 

    He’s a pastor?

    Great…

  • @agnophilo - Interesting take on things.

    @Randy7777 - I wonder how much of our perception is entirely accurate. While I concur, Obama has left me somewhat concerned in regards to policies and statements, I feel as though he is doing the best job he is capable of doing as did his predessesor. I doubt that his actions will substantially alter the course of human history for the worse. My greatest grievence with American polotics is the manner by which the public is informed or rather misinformed by an opinionated press. I would much rather be able to form my own opinions, than to have every one elses opinions shoved down my throat.

    That being said I appreciate seeing this point counterpoint presentation.

  • Geez, and I only stopped in to say hello!

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